30 Old 30 Young
30 Old 30 Young explores the fascinating contrasts of life in your thirties through the eyes of two cousins living vastly different paths. Join us as we navigate the uncertainties of adult life, from career choices to lifestyle decisions, through both a globetrotting adventurer's and a family-focused perspective.
Our main episodes dive deep into real-life challenges facing thirty-somethings today, while our mini-episodes break down the three best and worst aspects of pivotal adult life scenarios.
Whether you're questioning your life choices, seeking perspective, or just wanting to hear honest conversations about adulting, this podcast offers authentic insights into the beautiful chaos of your third decade. New episodes released weekly, featuring raw discussions about career transitions, relationships, mental health, and the endless quest for work-life balance. Your thirties don't come with a manual - but this podcast comes pretty close.
30 Old 30 Young
Beauty Standards - Men Vs Women
Picture this: you're getting ready for work, and you ponder whether your satin work suit is elegant or just fancy pajamas.
Join our playful debate as we navigate the world of beauty standards in your 30s, especially within the professional realm.
We'll share personal stories about how societal pressures affect men and women differently, and you'll hear about some eyebrow-raising workplace attire requests that highlight the unique challenges women often face.
With a dash of humor, we unravel these complex expectations and the sometimes absurd lengths we go to maintain a "professional" appearance.
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two cousins taking different life paths discuss the highs and lows of being in your 30s, and nothing is off limits. This is life in your 30s.
Speaker 2:This is 30 old, 30 young hello, and welcome to 30 old, 30 young.
Speaker 3:Hi everyone, welcome to another episode.
Speaker 2:The beauty episode.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, another beauty episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought we could just go for it and find out more about different things you're facing compared to what I'm facing like beauty, standards-wise pressures and all that lot, because I don't really get any. But I want to kind of see, if you get them all, who gets the biggest share, who's who's more put in, put under pressure by society to look their best.
Speaker 3:Do you reckon it's girls or boys?
Speaker 2:I think that's quite an obvious answer, but I want to just see.
Speaker 2:I want to see like oh it's a big, it's a big boy. But who better to take it? A boy and a girl, you know? Perfecto, there you go easy. This is. This is the sample size. So like have you, have you ever had like any mad things? Anyone said like at previous jobs to you, like about things you're wearing or what, what you've gone to work and they've kind of like give you like a misogynistic comment or no, because I'm very smart when I go to work okay we used to have dress down fridays.
Speaker 3:This is way back when in DHL, and I always turn up in my suit one because I couldn't be asked to pick an outfit and two. I'm at work to work, not to dress down.
Speaker 2:I'm very old-fashioned, so old-fashioned but I've always been very presentable, very smart, because I always look after how I'm so you're not getting any, you're not, you're not turning up in your um saturday night best and uh, you know keep it classy, not keeping it classy in the workplace no, fair enough. Because a lot of times I've seen there's been these, um, these satin work suits that girls turn up to work in, but they just look like pyjamas and they people are getting stick and I'm just like that's if I turned up wait.
Speaker 3:Can I Google?
Speaker 2:this. You gotta look at it. Yeah, A satin work suit. Go on TikTok for it. It's like a. Is it satin? No silk, it's like a silk shirt and silk trousers. And this girl, I think she's in Australia.
Speaker 3:I know, but do you think it's? Because it's?
Speaker 2:cheap. No, it's not cheap. That's the thing. It's not cheap. And she's there being like can you believe it? They said I look like I'm wearing pyjamas, or something like that.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's a good accent.
Speaker 2:Thank you, and she's like she's indignant about it, but she does look like. Well, have a look at all these girls here Is this.
Speaker 3:it Well, look come on. Oh, you should have sent me the video.
Speaker 2:It's a book. I saw it ages ago, oh yeah. They look like pyjamas right, Show it to the camera.
Speaker 3:Have a look at Sorry, her name's Barbie.
Speaker 2:Barbie, you look lovely. Can we see this party? You know it is giving that kind of like thing and I think a lot of that is you kind of have to, you can't, you don't, you don't want to dress the same as everybody else, so you kind of like, try and push the boundaries, a little bit of work, wear. So you end up wearing like that. It's like there's nothing wrong with a little pencil, not a little pencil. I'm saying like I don't work in a warehouse. Um, yeah, I don't know it. Just stick to the core stuff, you know.
Speaker 3:I like to be smart. I like to keep it classy, so I try and have things to my knee. I'm very old-fashioned.
Speaker 2:You're flashing ankle for a sale from now on.
Speaker 3:You know, yeah, but I tell you what I did. Have a client once who said to me please can you wear black high heels on your next see?
Speaker 2:that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's weird oh, absolutely, and it was in a school, but, um, it was a religious school.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, and he's, and I didn't go back because he used to lock the door every time I went in for a meeting uh-huh like the whole for the school yeah, you know, at the start when I said have you ever been treated differently, being like a woman at an event, and how you're dressing, you're like no, nothing's really happened. Is that that guy who locked me in a room and told me to put on high?
Speaker 3:heels. No, he texted me afterwards on my work phone.
Speaker 2:Oh, what a little bitch move.
Speaker 3:He was like next time can you put but the thing is. You just put these as as if it's normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's the problem. It shouldn't be par for the cause. No one's ever asked me to put high heels on and strut about. I've got cracking calves, but no one's ever asked for it, you know.
Speaker 3:So it is weird.
Speaker 2:It's very rare that I'll Well. No, it just didn't happen. No point am I worried. While I'm in seeing a customer, they're going to walk past me and try and grab my ass and the thing is.
Speaker 3:It's when they say dress down a little bit, but for a guy it's easy because you can put a polo top on, you've got your smart trousers. But for a girl I find it really weird. Like what am I meant to do? Just?
Speaker 2:because your guys dress down still is. You kind of still have to dress up a little bit because maybe, like, your dress down is more a casual version. So maybe you have to put on like a I don't know like a summer dress or something like that, but you still have to put in quite a bit of effort to still look presentable, whereas because the bar's low for us, we can put on jeans and a t-shirt and they're like oh, there you go.
Speaker 3:So it's just another version of it I must admit I do hate the way things are changing with how people do dress what you think. Everyone's slobbering a bit yeah, you know, in when it was victorian times and they all used to wear these you're like the good old days in dresses and stuff and the corsets and like they just looked incredible. I wish it would. I just feel that it's going worse and worse and now yeah I feel like the suit is declining a little bit the suit's definitely on its way out, yeah but I think the suit's now on its way back in.
Speaker 2:Oh goodness, I had a meeting. I've got whiplash from that. I was saying it's on its way out well, I think it is.
Speaker 3:But I had a meeting today and it was a bit of suit company and they were saying it might be coming back in. I'm like, will it?
Speaker 2:or are they just? They're like we're a suit company, so fingers crossed it's coming back. Just going back to the Victorian times, it was shit though.
Speaker 3:What the time?
Speaker 2:Corsets, big old dresses, you having to lift it up to cross the street, oh, and the whole thing where you come across a puddle, and so me, as a man. I'm meant to throw my jacket off, so you don't walk through it no way.
Speaker 3:Corsets, though, as well no, back in the old days it did used to have some nice pretty dresses. Where now? Yeah, but are you seeing? That because you've watched you've watched?
Speaker 2:titanic you've gone.
Speaker 3:oh so I mean, I know what? Yeah, like how elegant they used to be, but who looked cooler?
Speaker 2:Her shithead husband or fiancé?
Speaker 3:It was fair, even if it was a restaurant.
Speaker 2:Or like the Jack and all that lot. You know he'd look better. He was in the schlubby stuff they weren't wearing dinner jackets.
Speaker 3:No, I don't agree. Dinner jackets all the way.
Speaker 2:You want them in dinner jackets, yeah. Oh them in dinner jackets. Yeah, okay, cinema dinner jacket imagine. No, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean I like it I like it, but if it was daily, no, yeah, I do see what you mean.
Speaker 2:I do like my leggings that's it, that's what I'm saying. You could, you couldn't do, you can do, but then could you turn up for dress down friday as well, well, it's a nightmare dry cleaners. Yeah, it's a whole like other job to do like you have to. The upkeep is ridiculous and no, thank you. I like it. I like being able to grab everything I own, throwing it on the same wash and throw it in the same tumble dryer and just hoping it all makes it out of the other side.
Speaker 3:I do the same that's it.
Speaker 2:Oh, this whole separate colours stuff, oh no, it's racist, if I'm honest.
Speaker 3:I separate colours. I do do that. Oh, I like a bright.
Speaker 2:No, I love a mint.
Speaker 3:This red top that I'm wearing now has to go in a red wash.
Speaker 2:A red wash. Yeah, you're doing monochrome washes. I've got like pinks washes. Were they whites that went in with the reds and now they're pinks.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:And then I've got like the blacks, right, yeah, black gray, yeah, browns, yeah, they can all go in together, surely? Yeah, yeah, but I mean this is enthralling, but like I just love them all in. And if, if my white start to, I mean, look at this what could it but? That would be this I did buy this off. Why it was? This was the color.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, what color should you put it in?
Speaker 2:that's it white's probably, and chuck a bit of dazzling. Maybe it'll come out slightly more on white, I don't know.
Speaker 3:But like I, people just need to grow up with that whole like washing thing I do think it's funny, though, when you say about what to wear to work, and you know when people say, oh, tits and teeth I'm like, oh good no, just do a good job.
Speaker 3:You don't have to. Just because you're a woman, you don't have to do like, do that you don't. And some people say because, like they can blame put success on how you look. Oh, you look pretty, look presentable. No wonder why you're getting the sales. No, I'm getting the sales because I know what I'm talking about and I'm helping my customer and that's why they're going to purchase from me. So I do think you get a lot of that when you are a lady.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do get a lot of that in business oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, though, like if you're, you could be doing a great job. But it could be that you're doing a great job and you're doing it purely on your own esteem, but there could be the people that you work with are like she's only getting that because I mean yeah, so people will say that, whether or not, you, whether or not you are you, because you know, because you do get that a lot yeah, I mean oh, she's a pretty girl, you know.
Speaker 2:She'll get the sale.
Speaker 3:She'll get the sales. You know, and I'm not going to lie, I'd be dangerous.
Speaker 2:If I was a pretty woman, I would be fucking dangerous. I would use it all to my advantage for sure, absolutely. There's a stigma about shagging your way to the top. I'd do it.
Speaker 3:Absolutely not. I'd be Prime Minister not, I'd be Prime Minister. No, no, that's like winning the lottery. What you've just won it.
Speaker 2:It's just given to you.
Speaker 3:That sounds great Sounds awful to me.
Speaker 2:What being given something? Oh, I hate that. I hate being given stuff.
Speaker 3:You wouldn't feel like you've achieved anything, just doing that?
Speaker 2:No, you did. You went, you bought the lottery ticket and you won. But why is it that women should sleep?
Speaker 3:the way to the top. Why can't men? There's no one who wants to sleep with us.
Speaker 2:You're only as good as your options. There's no guy who shagged his way to. I mean there might be some like maybe I don't know if you're in that kind of why is it that the women have to?
Speaker 3:Why do they say they don't have to?
Speaker 2:but there's more chance there's the top than a guy. If I, if I was in like a vertical structured business and there's loads of layers and I started like hitting on my manager, she's like you fight, get out, I don't want whatever you're selling, mate, you know. Whereas if I had, if I was a woman and I had like a male manager, you know I had I definitely have more chance. 100, unless I was an absolutely beautiful man. That people were like you know I had, reputation preceded me and managers were like go on, get him on your staff. Other than that, no, there's, no, there's no man. I would love to meet the man who slept his way to the top and he isn't in porn, you know.
Speaker 2:I just hate it, though it really annoys me what oh my god if I was a woman, you would hate me because I would be an absolute shagger. I would be, I'd be your boss, I'd join your company and I'd be your boss in three months.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. They wouldn't want it. That's the thing they wouldn't.
Speaker 2:It's gone. It's gone a bit, uh, it's gone a bit. Backroom weinstein, and we'll stay away from that. Um, allegedly, I think. No, he's in prison. You're allowed to say it. So, beauty standards, wise. Um, do you feel that, like one of your? I know you're, you're in the gym for yourself, and that's great, but do you feel like there is? A societal pressure to look good and be in shape.
Speaker 3:Of course there is, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool.
Speaker 3:Of course there is.
Speaker 2:It's not about self-love.
Speaker 3:It's part of that. No, it's a bit of that, isn't it? But then you do care. People care about what people think it's to attract you as a person, it's to feel good, it's to look good to walk into a room knowing that you look good out of everyone else. You know it's. There's a lot of different things, isn't there? Oh, absolutely a lot of different things yeah, I'm pure.
Speaker 2:The only reason I go to the gym is to look better. There is no, I'm not thinking about my heart health. I'm not thinking about anything else it's purely just to look good.
Speaker 3:I go because I like to run off the day like it's such a good stress booster for me.
Speaker 2:Okay, quick one and.
Speaker 3:I think so many good things on the running machine, like some of my best things, have come to me on the running machine.
Speaker 2:No, a lot of times thinking sure, because you're bored out of your mind, so your mind wanders.
Speaker 3:Well, no, it's because I'm on fire. I'm running it like.
Speaker 2:Oh you. I'm running fast while I'm doing, but okay would you write you know the whole concept of show muscle or go muscle, right? Yeah, would you rather have show muscle or go muscle? So you've got. You're an incredible shape, fit like you. Look at you and you are just like sculpted yeah yeah, yeah, which is? You know this whole muscle mummy is on the right but no, you don't have to be absolutely jacked. It's your perfect idea of, but you are actually really unfit. So you look incredible, but you're like oh.
Speaker 2:God, you can't walk up the stairs without getting out of breath. Or would you like not be your best self, but you can like bench press a car. You know you're a superhero, but you just look a bit schlubby.
Speaker 3:I'd rather look, because then You'd rather look good and be unfit. Oh. That's it I don't know, I wouldn't want to bench press a car.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm saying you could. You could do it. That you are absolutely. You could run a marathon right now and not even break a sweat.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm just thinking of all the Anoki takeaways I could eat.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you could do that on both of them. Oh, that's it, but would you rather like like be out of breath while you're eating your ice?
Speaker 3:no, I'd be feeling good. Yeah, hammering down what would you prefer?
Speaker 2:oh, I'd be show muscle absolutely well, it'd look good yeah. I would be. Yeah, I'd have. I've had the abs, but if you poked me I'd wince.
Speaker 2:You know it'd be one of those, but from far away cracking you know, I mean yeah but that's because I've been like, um, this whole, like I've been physically strong but not but look, but looking as unfair as possible. Yeah, because now I'm I'm I've lost a lot of my weight, but I'm weaker than I've probably ever been and that's why I'm trying to gain back now. Oh, absolutely, the stuff I used to be able to do in the gym at 18 stone, I can't do now.
Speaker 3:Oh well, then I'd rather look. Good, that's it, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking, when I'm lifting like 10% of the weight I used to be doing, I'm like it's fine, it's absolutely. Whatever I am I'm fine with. I'd rather look like I can do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then go on a leg press and do 150 kilos and still be an absolute fat man.
Speaker 3:It's like fake it till you make it, isn't it? That's it, yeah, and then the muscles will follow.
Speaker 2:It's fine. That's where I'm at with it, what women are held to and what men are held to, and you'll have to hold my hand through this one, yeah, because I think I've got something and I just need to like, I want to get there without offending people, right or everyone. Oh God Hold tight everyone. I think the things that drag men down and that women don't find attractive are things that men can't change. But men find unattractive that women can be dragged down by.
Speaker 2:Women can change give us an example, so a man, small and bold, can't do anything about it yeah if women like a tall guy with a nice head of hair, for the most part that is what tall, dark and handsome. That is what the main thing you like need your reaction you ask a woman what they're into tall, dark and handsome, right whereas, whereas a guy might be like oh, I'm into a, you know, let's face it, it'll be like a I don't know.
Speaker 3:Anything.
Speaker 2:Slim Anything.
Speaker 3:Anything is walking. Is she into me? Then I'm into that, that's it.
Speaker 2:No, but it'll be like it'll be like slim or I don't think guys will ever really focus on height.
Speaker 3:I'll never be like but some people like curves.
Speaker 2:That can be theoretically changed.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I know, obviously you can't be like if a guy likes curves in your, some guys like small and petite. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you can't change that.
Speaker 2:You could be smaller and petite-er If you wanted to, you could look thinner. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not trying to advocate for starving yourself for some random guy, but it is something that could be changed. Where, if, if a girl said to me oh yeah, I'm really, I'm really into like guys that are six foot two, I'm out of the race, there's nothing I can do about, unless I get some lifts in my shoes, that's it but that's when the charm comes in no, no, five foot eight guy can charm his way to six foot two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can't do it they can't do it, they can't do it like even now I see videos of like tom holland and zendaya right, she's so much taller than him and he's a charming, beautiful guy, good looking guy, and still it's like, and that's how he's done it, he's, he's charmed and he's talented, obviously all that lot, but like it's still like, even though they're at that level they're both a list you still see like, oh, he's he looks 5'5 next door.
Speaker 3:I like a guy to be taller than me, for sure, and you're tall and I'm tall, yeah, for sure, so yeah.
Speaker 2:But has that ever happened to you?
Speaker 3:Has a guy been like? I do prefer someone taller. Yeah, because you're a dating pool. Now the thing is, though Heels aren't in Heels aren't in anymore, so I'm good. So you start dating someone in your trainers? I'm not 6 foot, 5 guys.
Speaker 2:In a strong pair of heels You're probably like at 6'2, 6'1, 6'2, yeah, so In the trainer era you can date 6'1, 6'2", right, 6'1", 6'2", 6'1", yeah, so 6?
Speaker 3:In the trainer era, you can Definitely 6.
Speaker 2:You can date 6'1", 6'2". If heels start coming back in, you're going to be needing 6'3", 6'4".
Speaker 3:No, I've dated guys with 6'4" and been good with heels In heels.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, you're not going for 5'5", are you?
Speaker 3:No, no, that's what I'm saying. I do like a taller guy, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because that guy could tick all the other boxers for you. But then it's not about. But he's 5'5".
Speaker 3:See it depends.
Speaker 2:He's your little pocket boyfriend.
Speaker 3:Don't get me wrong. It'd be lovely if they were taller, but I think it just depends. It depends how you feel. You can't fall in love with someone. You just fall in love with who they are, don't you? Oh, I do, come on. Oh no, I've done that quite a few times.
Speaker 2:You could absolutely love someone for who they are, but when you lean down to kiss them and it gives you the egg.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's never been that much. But that's what I'm saying because you won't let it be that much. It will never be that much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, you're right, you're looking out on the dating field in your peripherals. You're looking right over 5'7". Anyone in 5'7"? They're out. Yeah, they are done.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're not even entering the competition. That's it, so that's what I'm saying, and they can do nothing about it. There is no guy that can be like. I'm going to go away and train, and I'm going to show up.
Speaker 3:You can't get things in your shoes to make you taller for a guy.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's happened right. He's got lifts in his shoes and I'm aware we're cousins so I'm going to tread carefully here. Comes back to your place. Yeah, he takes his shoes off and he drops two and a half inches and you're just like get out and as he leaves, he lifts up out of the way.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've not really come into that. I've had a guy, you know, who has been a bit smaller, but well, no, he wasn't smaller. He was always taller, but I mean when I'm wearing heels I mean when I'm in heels he's a bit. He's like a little bit of a. I've got to be careful with what heel I'm wearing.
Speaker 2:But that's what I'm saying. You're out there tomorrow and Tinder or whatever dating app allows you to pick the height yeah, you would first of all you'd set it to 6'2 because that's what everyone at 6'2 is saying they are yeah, 6'2.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That means I'm like 5'6".
Speaker 3:You probably are. You probably shrunk in your old age. What?
Speaker 2:Ha Well, no, I did recently.
Speaker 3:I've definitely, I have been, I have been no you're like 5'11" for sure.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not, you are, because I had a physical recently. I'm 5'10" Just because, and you're way taller than me.
Speaker 3:I got receipts.
Speaker 2:I have you need to get your money back, because if they said you were 5'6", they're mental.
Speaker 3:They said you were 5'6", 5'7", no like 5'8", 5'9", no, yeah.
Speaker 2:No wrong, absolutely wrong, although that means I'm like 5'6". You are.
Speaker 3:I'm just not Really sorry, short king over here, do some tissues.
Speaker 2:Sh shorter king than I realised, but luckily I've got a head of hair, so I'm alright. Keep on growing that hair.
Speaker 3:Go full, jedwood, I'll be six foot, my next physical but I must admit some guys, they are doing things to hair and they're everything, aren't they like having the hair done?
Speaker 2:oh, plugs, hair plugs, like Wayne Rooney allegedly a wig.
Speaker 3:Wigs are no longer like toupees done oh plugs, Hair plugs Like Wayne Rooney.
Speaker 2:Allegedly A wig. No, no, Wigs are no longer like toupees at a comedy. Now People can have like they stay in for like six months and they are glued to the scalp.
Speaker 3:I'm glad I'm saying give them a chance. Yeah, exactly Because women can do stuff. I think they can change their hair colour in some. Same for men, but it's obviously harder for a man because her hair grows so quick.
Speaker 2:Well, the more mainstream it becomes wigs and stuff like that, the better the quality of them will become, because there's a market for it. So it will improve. Because I get adverts for all the time. I don't know who they're talking to me. How dare you? What do they know? But yeah, that gives them a shot. Head full of hair? But yeah, that gives them a shot. However, say you were dating a guy, yeah, and then he goes oh, I've got my appointment at the wig doctor tomorrow. The wig, the rug doctor, let's say. And you were like the what? And he was like, oh, I'm just having my hair replaced. And you were like what do you mean? Your hair replaced? And he goes and velcros off his lid.
Speaker 3:I mean, I wouldn't really like it. I like it a bit more natural. You know, Proper manly man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it goes from. What does that mean?
Speaker 3:There's nothing Manly, just like this. No, but the rock's bold you know, like the one who chops wood and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he could be bold.
Speaker 3:No, it doesn't flake my bones.
Speaker 2:Wait what's happening? Bold men aren't manly If you can't grow hair grow up.
Speaker 3:No, you're only about to be whacking it back. I'd rather be with someone who is just natural.
Speaker 2:Oh, who embraces it? Who embraces the fact that they're bold?
Speaker 3:I wouldn't be with someone who's bold. Why, it's not my time?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but he can't change it. Besides the rug doctor, he can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3:But there is women who love a bald man. Do they though?
Speaker 2:or are they just widthening the pool that they can date in?
Speaker 3:no, they do. But yeah, I had a friend once and he used to say to this other guy oh, your lips are a bit small, you need to put a bit more filler in there. I'm like that's such a horrible thing to say. Why would you point to anyone and say you need to put a bit more filler in there? I'm like that's such a horrible thing to say. Why would you point to anyone and say you need to change that, because I'm sorry what a guy was telling another guy to get filler.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, but that is just shitty behaviour when you're commenting on someone else's looks and appearances, and digging at them. Don't ever do that to anyone, no matter how bad they look. If they're happy, allow it, unless you're friendly enough with them.
Speaker 2:No, ever do that to anyone, no matter how bad they look just just if they're happy, allow it unless you're, you know, friendly enough with them no, if they've got, if they've got like toothpaste on the face, yeah, I'll tell them no, I see like pictures of me from about six months ago and I'm like why no one's saying anything?
Speaker 3:you know, because you didn't, yeah, but you didn't look that bad well that's it.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Hindsight is 18 stone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i't pick on someone.
Speaker 2:No, you don't have to pick on them. You can be more tactful than like. Like, if you went up to me and went you need to get a lipo mate, that would be a bit harsh. But if you were like you want to go to a gym class or something, yeah, when it comes to weight, because that can actually affect your health, though realise, you're actually obese.
Speaker 3:I need to work some photos, Come on you can admit it.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not a fact. Yeah, it's a fact. I was obese. I think I still am, actually, you know. Well, I am Based on the fact I'm five foot now my BMI is fucked. Oh God, Admit it, you're obese.
Speaker 3:We need to put some photos up. The secret's out. No, we don't Put some photos up, no we don't?
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, sure, we've got plenty. We've got plenty of big boys. That's my mum. Her background today is her phone shuffles through pictures of like the family.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they come up.
Speaker 2:Oh what a unit. I barely fit on the background.
Speaker 3:But it's funny though, isn't it? Because people these days are so like kids. Now, as Brittany started saying, can I have some face lotion? She's not at that level yet. She needs to wait a year or two. It gets to school and then it happens.
Speaker 2:She's seen that I use it. She's seen that her mum uses it, so she likes to do it just in a play pretend situation, which is fine. Mum uses it, so she likes to do it just in like a play pretend situation, like.
Speaker 3:And like helping brie put her makeup on things like that she helps along with it.
Speaker 2:But I have tried to like not steer her away from like the, the girly, girly stuff like, and the, the makeup and all that like. It's just because I kind of just wanted to play more, you know, but it's. It's hard like I, if she ever started to want she wanted to wear makeup to go out. I'm like absolutely what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:You're three, you know, but like that happens I've seen like kids I mean, I was probably that kind of kid who would have wanted to put their lipstick on. I remember holly and I and we hadn't gone yeah, but you like play, play.
Speaker 2:You weren't like kicking off and not going to school because you like year one, because you wanted your makeup on I tell you what when I was in school, we weren't allowed to wear makeup and there were some girls who were like orange yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I was never like that because I used to have my mum's.
Speaker 2:They used to nick her bronzer oh, so you were using the proper stuff so I just had the bronzer. But loads of girls had foundation, where I'm sure mummies have the same thing. It was just a cheap one, oh no, which one? That like had loads of balls in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I remember I dropped one on the floor and they went fucking everywhere.
Speaker 3:I did that with my grandparents as well. Yeah Fuck, where else am I going with this? What was I saying? I can't even remember now.
Speaker 2:Wearing makeup at school.
Speaker 3:Yeah, these take off 10, 11, where you want to look after your parents, just allow it.
Speaker 2:Well, it depends how stupid you look, though.
Speaker 3:Just help them. Give them a makeup class on how to have good makeup.
Speaker 2:I mean, I suppose that's one of the benefits of TikTok People are properly learning how to do stuff, and some of it's wild.
Speaker 3:Honestly.
Speaker 2:Have you seen that woman who's been taking the piss out? Of Republican women the way I do it no, and doing the makeup the way they do it and it's so good. I'm watching like mesmerised but I can't remember she's like doing it in, like she's putting on like really cakey foundation.
Speaker 3:See, I just couldn't.
Speaker 2:No, but that's what they look. And then the eyeliner like put on like freehand and looking really like globby and horrendous. I must admit I'd love to be able to do a makeup, like some of these young girls now. Brie's wild how she can do it, she's wonderful.
Speaker 3:She's really good at makeup. I can't, I'm just, I just can't.
Speaker 2:I think for Brie it's a hobby as well, though I think it's like it's a hobby for me.
Speaker 3:I love it, but I just can't do it.
Speaker 2:Oh right, okay, I just really worry. You need to show some interest in it, I worry about what I put on my face.
Speaker 3:That's the thing.
Speaker 2:Oh God, I don't like to but.
Speaker 3:Brie always looks very natural, very beautiful, like nice skin yeah.
Speaker 2:I've got.
Speaker 3:Everyone's like heavy makeup but she always looks.
Speaker 2:She makeup, makeup looks.
Speaker 3:I know it's bollocks, I know that sometimes you can look natural, but have loads yeah that's it.
Speaker 3:I know it's bullshit, I know it's just I mean I need to do some yeah I mean, have a wee, wee break um sometimes when I've been in the spa, like I'd have a guy say also what, how much do you pay on your beauty? As if you know. And I'm saying like you're getting pumped up, yeah, well, not, that is how much do you pay for. Like your nails, you have your eyelashes done yeah I'm just like why do you care?
Speaker 2:and what was? What point was he making? Don't know, but he was just asking was he gonna pay?
Speaker 3:probably because, well, it'd be lovely if he did but it's just another thing isn't it's like why, but yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean is I? I mean I know the nails are for you guys, because we don't give a toss really about nails talking, you know, for all men just being me don't really care but like you know, I'm, I mean I can't say anything. I can't say anything about like how brie should keep her nails when mine look like this, you know, yeah you know, brie should do what she wants exactly, exactly, if I look bad.
Speaker 3:I would, I would. I would like someone to tell me like charlotte, your makeup looks really bad, Just dab it a bit. When I was in skiing the other week I said to girls when I'm like an ump-a-lump, and they're like yeah, just wipe off a little bit, you're spot on. Spot on that you look ump-a-lump Too much bronzer yeah, especially on the slopes as well, when you're actually, when it's a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think if you open the conversation you'd be like what do you reckon to this outfit? And they go yeah, if you look shit, just let me know yeah yeah, if you walk out in an outfit that you're feeling good in and they go, ooh, that's not it and you're like, oh, shit. It's a hard one, isn't it? Because in your head and like I guess, nothing looks good. So yeah, allow if you put it out there, allow for criticism to come back. However, don't just give unwarranted criticism to people.
Speaker 3:That's my, that's my thing really with it yeah, but I think in your 30s, uh, you do get to that age where your body just starts slowing down.
Speaker 2:They say well, yeah, your cells start dying at 25 and that's obviously your.
Speaker 3:Your skin gets worse and oh yeah, I was. I thought the other day I said, oh, maybe I might go for botox. I've never had botox, I never had anything done like oh, maybe I might do. But then I was looking back at photos from a holiday like in 2016, like it came from my snapchat. I was on the beach sunbathing and I had the same line okay, oh right.
Speaker 2:So you're saying when you're stressed.
Speaker 3:Stress makes you look so much older, because when I wasn't stressed in a previous job, yeah, no lines I didn't have the lines. Honestly, I look great if I do say so myself.
Speaker 2:I don't I don't know because, like when I'm just relaxing, like right now, this is just me talking. This is my relaxed face. I have wrinkles from just relaxing yeah, we're not but then I can get rid of my forehead. I can get rid of my forehead wrinkles now, yeah, by scowling, but then I get the wrinkles here. So at no point does my face not, that's for me relax no, it's not relaxed there you go, it's relaxed yeah yeah, there's anything there.
Speaker 2:Look at that. I use all the creams. I'm quite a metrosexual man I reckon I like I like a cream. I like a um a little. Like you know, I've had like a three-stage hair situation. Now I put in like leave-in conditioner and stuff like that to really like, because now I'm getting longer locks I've got to look after it it's fine as well, if you want to do that oh, I know it's fine. I wasn't asking for validation.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, I know but I'm just saying it is actually okay. I know if I had a boyfriend who was looking after himself, I'm like, yeah, I'd love that, you know, because I'm all about looking smart that's it.
Speaker 2:If you can't look after yourself, how's he going to look after you?
Speaker 3:you know one of them, but I tell you what, what was the most wildest thing that you and Auntie Tessie do recently? And I'm like what, what do you put on? You're going to have to tell people.
Speaker 2:Well, I still do it. Hence why? Look at this? Look at this. This is an all right face and I've got a ring light off to the side of me, but, wrinkles wise and collagen wise, I think I'm pretty puffed up. Yeah, so it's going to be a thing and this is going to be a thing over the next year right.
Speaker 3:You're slapping something thick on, aren't you? I don't want to say it. Yeah, there's something thick going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, oh yeah. There's many things me and my mum will do. She'll see something on TikTok and be like have it here first, because obviously I heard this on TikTok, so people will probably know about this because it's cheap and it's effective and it is beef tallow, so you're rubbing cow fat on your face, right?
Speaker 3:can you see it working?
Speaker 2:I mean look at me yeah, it could be from.
Speaker 3:You think I got the skin of a 31 year old no you are 31, that's what I'm saying but I got the skin of a 26 year old I must admit, though sometimes I have when I say to people my age they do say oh, I thought you're like 27, it's because I'm living.
Speaker 2:My inner child, my inner twenties is still rocking out there see, my inner child has long since gone, so I have to put beef on my face. No, he's gone. He's gone, he's gone to the upside down you've got a kid. Now you can go on the blue slides yeah, I don't need an inner child because I've got one.
Speaker 2:You can be a child, I've got so, yeah, I know, okay, the inner child comes out for them. However, my, I don't think, from my casual day to day, I don't think my inner child is shining. I think it's very much like, like we always say, the comparison to me and you in the gym, you in the gym, I think you, you put out a light that people like, go to and will talk to you and open conversation with. I don't think I put out that same energy at all, partly because I've always got a head I'll have the headphones on from the off so I got to you in a child like because you're presenting that like you're open to something.
Speaker 3:You're open to this, whereas I'm presenting as closed yeah, but it's not so much about that, though, is it's about having fun as well. Some people, when they get older, they, oh, I can't do that.
Speaker 2:Or you change. What fun is it's?
Speaker 3:like the Italians, for instance. So, they are very set in their way back in the time that they wouldn't go on holiday with friends because they've got kids. Oh, I can't do that. Yeah, you can when you're here. Once you can do that.
Speaker 2:But they won't.
Speaker 3:What their inner child is just not being let out at all.
Speaker 2:Wait, Wait. Are they going on holiday with their friends, with their kids?
Speaker 3:Without the kids. Just a girls' holiday weekend away, you know.
Speaker 2:Oh right, yeah Well, the problem is, maybe there's more judgment over there. There's still plenty of judgment over here.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, when we went on our honeymoon we didn't hear the end of it, that we went on a honeymoon without Bryn, oh God, people were like I couldn't possibly do it. Shut up, you could, and we had lions and it was a great time and we missed it and the time we were awake we spoke about it and that's what you do and there's a whole trend. There's another trend on TikTok where it's like, oh, we get a weekend away from the kids and then the weekend away it's just them like you remember this, and you just show pictures of your kids. That is how it is. But you still need that time away and the judgment is part of it. You need the time away from the people judging you for having time away because they're annoying as fuck. Leave it out. Great honeymoon. Bryn didn't even know we were gone.
Speaker 3:You know, but yeah, but stress that can age him a lot like. I said oh yeah, I've got a frown line and I need to tell myself to stop frowning but then what's wrong with it?
Speaker 2:also, what's wrong with a wrinkle.
Speaker 3:I quite like it. I like that I've got laughter lines. Yeah, but it's stress, isn't it? Well, no, my laughter lines aren't stress, they're good times, my wrinkles, my wrinkles, my wrinkles are stress wrinkles you don Look. I'm stressed.
Speaker 2:Show me, Get them out. That's your stressed face. You're just in front of the computer going fuck you.
Speaker 3:Emails, emails and stuff. This again, fucking hell.
Speaker 2:That's your. You've got grimacing. Okay that's not. That's not too, but it's just wrinkles. I'd rather be like, I'd rather look like a testicle, but my body should be working.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but would you have what's it called? What's the in botox?
Speaker 2:would you? Yeah, but I think I would go to a, have you had botox.
Speaker 3:No, I've had cow fat on my face, all right no, I haven't had botox.
Speaker 2:I would, but I would. If I were to have botox. I'd want to go to someone with a limit, you know, because I see people who botox and they're fucking mental.
Speaker 3:Kardashians, I'm just like oh gosh.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't want a yes man doctor or yes, woman doctor like pumping me full and being like, oh no, you could go again. You could go if you'd like to have a bit more or whatever, or whatever. Like when I see these lips that look like they're going to peel themselves, I'm like it. It looks painful.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I imagine when I can see where their lip line used to be and then now that lip has, like it's, extended over that and it looks like it's about to explode.
Speaker 3:Oh God damn, and I'm just like I've already got a headache. It just gives me a headache to think about.
Speaker 2:You know, so that's where I'd want the the person I'm and it doesn't. Actually, I'm saying doctor doesn't need to be a doctor now does it, you can. I can go on a 48 hour course and come back and just be like if you want botox, give me, give me a weekend. I can come back and just jab you and it'll be fine. I'll charge you cost, it's fine, don't worry about it. But yeah, and so I'd want someone who's like, who's willing to go to me, like you're done.
Speaker 2:that'll do, because let it settle, because I want the money, don't I, because you can go blind to it, because if you change something to your face, you're going to get used to it and the next thing you're going more and more and more.
Speaker 3:It's a dangerous path, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. But I do get why people do it. Absolutely, I do get why people do it. It's dangerous and scary, but I get it.
Speaker 3:I do get why people do it because they want to look younger. But then I think you can take it too far. I'm at that stage now where I'm getting to my 30s. I'm 35, 36 in October and I'm thinking, oh, charlotte, can I get a little bit? But then I'm like, nah, I'll get more cream, get some tropic cream on there yeah, that. Live like a life that is trying not to be stressful where you're happy, Because happiness when happy, within you glow and you look good.
Speaker 2:You're going for. Prevention is better than cure in regards to skincare. If I'm not stressed, then I won't show stress. I'm not stressed.
Speaker 3:If I'm happy, it shows, because I think someone who's unhappy, you can see it's on their face, it's written all over their face.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's another. Make sure I'm happy, then I'm glowing there you go, you don't need it. But another thing as well in my 30s I think I've got to that point now where I'm very like loose with how I look. I'm very like chill, all right, are you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, compared to my 20s, yeah, you just said like your dream outfit is Victorian.
Speaker 3:No, I'm on about work it. No, I'm on about work. It's business Charlotte, even though business Charlotte is a bit different now, because I still rock the curly hair, my natural curly hair uh-huh but now I just let it loose, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's nice and loose, yeah, yeah, yeah before I used.
Speaker 3:I didn't even know I had curly hair until two years ago. I went to Sri Lanka I was like, but yeah, my hair's curly what the humidity got you well, I just let it dry naturally where before. I would do the hair dry, the straighteners, even if I was in the in the evening. I'd do it before I go to bed, but now I don't oh god, sometimes effort if I have my hair straight for too long yeah.
Speaker 3:I actually feel like I need to straighten no, let it go wild, because I need that oh, my actual, natural self, my authentic self well, yeah, because you doing damage, right, if you keep straining. That's why you need a four-step uh hair care process like I've got okay, let me know what I said with the deets.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh, to be fair, actually you can have some of it because I I got told off by my hairdresser because I went yeah, it's a four-step process. I've got the leave-in conditioner, um, the hair cream every day uh, whenever you shower, post-shower yeah so yeah but sometimes I don't wash my hair have you got the miracle spray?
Speaker 3:are you using it or not? What? Like the tangle miracle spray, that stuff it's like in a white bottle you get it off Asos miracle spray it's like 11 things in it oh, has Anastasia not sold it to you?
Speaker 2:yet what is it?
Speaker 3:liquid biotin brilliant, honestly glowing.
Speaker 2:That's so soft now it's a miracle spray I mean, look at these, look at this, look at the sheen, look at this. This for the fans, um, but then I I have two curling creams, right curling green listen, I'm just.
Speaker 2:I'm just a boy who's trying to have a little bit of a wave in his hair. I just want a little bit of movement because I've got really straight hair, really straight hair, and it's only now, because I've got a bit of weight in my hair, that it's having a bend to it, right, it's under its own stress, right. So I got curling cream to kind of like put it in to give it like a bit of a wave, and she went that's not how it works. You have to have the curls first and the curling cream helps them along would you use straighteners on your hair to do the work like the?
Speaker 2:girl. No well, I have a dyson airblade kind of situation. So oh, check you, you guys well it's breeze and I still bless it to me. Um, so yeah, I do that, but I don't. I don't have the skills for it. Like when I leave the hairdressers, she does it for me. It's like, oh wow, oh yeah, and I'm watching, I'm like how is she doing it? Like, how is it not just blowing everywhere? Because when I do, I'm kind of like volume yeah, but they're so good, aren't they?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just absolute skills. But she told me off and she went don't use that, it's for people with curly hair.
Speaker 3:Don't bother.
Speaker 2:Don't bother. So I've got two tubs of curl cream if you want it.
Speaker 3:Okay, thanks, it's for your curls. Oh yeah, go on, then I'll have it. Yeah, actually it's from um. Oh, I'll tell you I've had a free new suit. I say it's good stuff.
Speaker 2:I don't have curls, but you know I'm gonna have some kill green, see how it looks um yeah, so who do? You think who has it worse, men or women?
Speaker 3:women? Yeah, absolutely yeah, yeah, but I like to like give a little bit at the start everyone was like which is yeah, I think men are definitely getting up there a little bit, but it's definitely women.
Speaker 2:It'll always be women yeah, because I think it's the. You could probably take the piss out of a man for being short or bold, but I don't think a woman's ever gonna lock a man in a room and try and rub his bald head, you know yeah, yeah I'll be like. I'll be like come here, short boy, get these high heels on um. So yeah, I think women. I think women have it worse than men. Jury's out, who knows.
Speaker 3:But in your 30s, I think, you just end up not giving a shit, kind of.
Speaker 2:It goes one of two ways.
Speaker 3:I think you either go.
Speaker 2:I'm on my fitness journey. I'm going to be fitter at 40 than at 20. Or you go. I couldn't give a toss. World's going to end, or you go, I couldn't give a toss, world's gonna win.
Speaker 3:I actually feel like I'm at that other stage where I couldn't give a toss. Oh, I flip from day to day, that's my problem.
Speaker 2:One day I'm like I'm gonna be the fittest I've ever been. Next day I'm like I could die tomorrow. So I mean, I always try, I do try and look after myself if I get to a certain bit. I'm like just ease a little bit of Charlotte this jumper does not mean, we look great today, but yeah when I say I try and look after myself and then I'm putting, like Snickers, creamer in my coffee. So that's the problem.
Speaker 3:But it's good though you're good, maybe the best lie, yeah.
Speaker 2:I am, I am. So, yeah, we'll put a poll up. Who's got it worse? I think we know who's going to win. Yeah, and that that is it for today. That is it for today's episode, and we will see you next week. Ciao, ciao.
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